ObiWanKenobi2016 wrote:YourFather wrote:It's interesting because just about every rebel on here is saying imperial gr snipers are the reason imps are dominating conflicts. If that were true, then we would see it in the data. We don't see it, we haven't seen it and we won't see it because the claim is completely false.
No. These stats do not assist with the effectiveness or otherwise of Imp / Reb GR, or indeed any other update.
The KSoD bot trawls the squads recording the number of attack wins and defence wins (among other data). These stats therefore reflect wins and losses (for some players), since the game started. Due to their longevity in the game these commanders' stats will have a significant distorting affect (perhaps especially so for the minority faction). The game has been going for more than 3 years now. Commanders that have kept with the game for all that time will have large numbers of wins and losses because of how the game used to be, not because of how it is now or how it was during "the OP Imp GR era".
Please note, I am describing the era where Imp GR was stronger as the 'OP Imp GR Era', simply because the devs decided to nerf it to it's current levels. Only the devs are able to access data that might show the actual impact on the game. They decided to nerf it, and buff reb GR. I don't know of anyone who was asking for Reb GR to be buffed at all, let alone in the way it was buffed. What Rebs were asking for was to have their own version of the sniper GR. The devs went a different way.
I think Dark Rebel's theory for the stat difference is right, it' more to do with the (much) higher number of Imp players. On a normalcy curve there are far more poor players than good ones. With the 3:2 faction ratio there will have been a lot more weak imps over the course of the game's life who have failed on attacks and had weaker bases when attacked by rebels. Over 3 years these numbers stack up. This explains the stat discrepancy on rebel attack / defence success much better. Others may have other views, of course.
The only real guide to the current game balance is to be found in conflict leaderboards, and even then, only where the prize is of equal value for both factions - eg during conflicts for jump/jet skins. A conflict where one faction has a great prize, and the other a rubbish one does not assist, eg Imp Astromech v Reb WED. Only conflict leaderboards demonstrate attack and defence success during a specific time frame in a way that we can see.
I agree you can't look at the lifetime of wins as a guide for the current state of the game. One would look at the CHANGES in wins between each update you have so diligently provided us. Sure, some people go inactive between the updates but any sort of statistical anomaly (say from OP GR) would appear in these changes.
Also, I have to point out the very large disparity in wins vs losses between imperials and rebels. You can say players in faction cause an imbalance all day but a statistical difference that large would likely need far more explaining.
Lastly, the conflict leaderboards are truly the absolute worst guide for the state of balance in the game. 14 out of 50 players in the last leaderboards were using macros, that's already more than a quarter of the leaderboard that shouldn't even be considered (but many forum rebels did factor them in ) for game balance.
From there you have to consider the unfair matchmaking. Imperials have learned to identify and hit dev bases all conflict while rebels are forced to hit the toughest player bases. Of course imperials are dominating conflicts (except on tatooine where we don't get the luxury of dev bases). I can level a max 10 dev base with 8 jets (no hero) for 640 points then almost immediately do it again when I get back to base.
You see, matchmaking gives imperials the same advantage over rebels that macros players have over us all; time vs point accumulation. This is far worse a problem than sniper gr ever was. How many points per attack do you reasonably look to gain? How long do you wait for your troops to cook between attacks? Still want to tell me sniper gr is the reason I'm getting more points than you?